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		<title>By: Matt Oatley</title>
		<link>http://www.exicarus.com/2007/07/03/christian-perfection/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Oatley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I have read your article now about three or four times... just thinking over and over again... is this dude for real?

Let me clarify: I do not mean that in a sense of I disagree with you. What I mean is: I have been working hard for the last couple years to see the doctrine of moral perfection spread throughout the Christians in our city. There have been times where I have preached this so hard that I've just had to stop, wait, and listen... I've gone a long (seemingly dormant) month not doing anything but hoping and praying - that people would hear the truth and respond accordingly - that is, to live righteous lives.

I've been praying for the conversion of the people close to me as well as people I don't even know. In my prayer - I've recognized more and more that our preaching should put an emphasis on this doctrine. Because I believe wholeheartedly that accepting this doctrine (the way you explained it to a brief yet precise degree) is a perfect start to freeing the deceived minds of sinners everywhere and allowing them to once and for all bring glory to their Lord and King the way He intended from the beginning.

I love your emphasis on the fact that we will never be perfect in everything the way Christ is perfect in everything... He is perfect in knowledge - I am not. He is perfect in body - I am not. He is perfect in defeating the temptation that led all of us to sin in the first place... and I have not been (as "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God")... People will often times immediately reject the idea of moral perfection without first even knowing what it is. I believe you (as well as Wesley) hit the nail on the head. So, thanks for clarifying this so well.

To encourage and help equip the saints - a good follow-up to this post might be how excuses for sin are fatal and criminal. If you start to justify your sin or make excuse - you just agitate the wrong doing further.

I have a couple articles on this principle being pulled from Luke chapter 14 starting at verse 15 - The Parable of the Great Banquet. Also I have an audio track of a message by a preacher that goes through a couple real world examples of common excuses for sin - how they are fatal, fallacious, and ultimately not fulfilling a moral obligation to the Lord God Almighty.

If anyone would like any of these resources I will offer them up gladly. I have articles, videos, and audio tracks on this topic as well as some other "difficult doctrines" that I'd love to share. A great resource is also http://www.cmfnow.com/ - you can find a ton of audio debates and lectures on difficult doctrines of the Bible here. Covenant Media Foundation is an absolutely wonderful resource for Christians.

This has been a long comment - so... Grace and Peace to all of you looking to grow deeper in your walk with Jesus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I have read your article now about three or four times&#8230; just thinking over and over again&#8230; is this dude for real?</p>
<p>Let me clarify: I do not mean that in a sense of I disagree with you. What I mean is: I have been working hard for the last couple years to see the doctrine of moral perfection spread throughout the Christians in our city. There have been times where I have preached this so hard that I&#8217;ve just had to stop, wait, and listen&#8230; I&#8217;ve gone a long (seemingly dormant) month not doing anything but hoping and praying - that people would hear the truth and respond accordingly - that is, to live righteous lives.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been praying for the conversion of the people close to me as well as people I don&#8217;t even know. In my prayer - I&#8217;ve recognized more and more that our preaching should put an emphasis on this doctrine. Because I believe wholeheartedly that accepting this doctrine (the way you explained it to a brief yet precise degree) is a perfect start to freeing the deceived minds of sinners everywhere and allowing them to once and for all bring glory to their Lord and King the way He intended from the beginning.</p>
<p>I love your emphasis on the fact that we will never be perfect in everything the way Christ is perfect in everything&#8230; He is perfect in knowledge - I am not. He is perfect in body - I am not. He is perfect in defeating the temptation that led all of us to sin in the first place&#8230; and I have not been (as &#8220;all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God&#8221;)&#8230; People will often times immediately reject the idea of moral perfection without first even knowing what it is. I believe you (as well as Wesley) hit the nail on the head. So, thanks for clarifying this so well.</p>
<p>To encourage and help equip the saints - a good follow-up to this post might be how excuses for sin are fatal and criminal. If you start to justify your sin or make excuse - you just agitate the wrong doing further.</p>
<p>I have a couple articles on this principle being pulled from Luke chapter 14 starting at verse 15 - The Parable of the Great Banquet. Also I have an audio track of a message by a preacher that goes through a couple real world examples of common excuses for sin - how they are fatal, fallacious, and ultimately not fulfilling a moral obligation to the Lord God Almighty.</p>
<p>If anyone would like any of these resources I will offer them up gladly. I have articles, videos, and audio tracks on this topic as well as some other &#8220;difficult doctrines&#8221; that I&#8217;d love to share. A great resource is also <a href="http://www.cmfnow.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmfnow.com/</a> - you can find a ton of audio debates and lectures on difficult doctrines of the Bible here. Covenant Media Foundation is an absolutely wonderful resource for Christians.</p>
<p>This has been a long comment - so&#8230; Grace and Peace to all of you looking to grow deeper in your walk with Jesus!</p>
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		<title>By: Emily</title>
		<link>http://www.exicarus.com/2007/07/03/christian-perfection/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm interested in seeing temptation vs. sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in seeing temptation vs. sin.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben H.</title>
		<link>http://www.exicarus.com/2007/07/03/christian-perfection/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 03:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe I addressed that several times. All the things you mentioned are obviously points of growth given the passages you cited and should be the aim of every Christian. I suggest re-reading the "Perfection is not..." section, especially the last paragraph. Good point, though. Half of the reason I posted this is that many people automatically assume that Christian perfection means that no more growth is necessary, which is not the case. Freedom from sin and absolute full maturity are two different ideas, and thank you for reinforcing the need for this way of thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe I addressed that several times. All the things you mentioned are obviously points of growth given the passages you cited and should be the aim of every Christian. I suggest re-reading the &#8220;Perfection is not&#8230;&#8221; section, especially the last paragraph. Good point, though. Half of the reason I posted this is that many people automatically assume that Christian perfection means that no more growth is necessary, which is not the case. Freedom from sin and absolute full maturity are two different ideas, and thank you for reinforcing the need for this way of thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: David h</title>
		<link>http://www.exicarus.com/2007/07/03/christian-perfection/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>David h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 20:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I do believe that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. However I have never met a single christian that 

never does anything without faith (Romans 14:23
Never misses an opportunity to do good (James 4:17)
Prays Continually (1 Thess. 5:17)
Never lacks zeal or joy... ever (Rom 12:11, 1Thess 5:16)

I know that we can get closer and closer to that but honestly if you are at the level of Grace to fully do all these things then I would do whatever it takes to meet you and learn how to live in sinless perfection like you. If even a few christian men took a hold of that reality they would completely change the world. But of all the great men of God that I have read it has always been a continual growing closer to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I do believe that the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. However I have never met a single christian that </p>
<p>never does anything without faith (Romans 14:23<br />
Never misses an opportunity to do good (James 4:17)<br />
Prays Continually (1 Thess. 5:17)<br />
Never lacks zeal or joy&#8230; ever (Rom 12:11, 1Thess 5:16)</p>
<p>I know that we can get closer and closer to that but honestly if you are at the level of Grace to fully do all these things then I would do whatever it takes to meet you and learn how to live in sinless perfection like you. If even a few christian men took a hold of that reality they would completely change the world. But of all the great men of God that I have read it has always been a continual growing closer to God.</p>
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